Hear from Pastor Artur Pawlowski (“Get out, Nazis!”) in a candid discussion moderated by Ron Kelly about their controversial stands against government mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore why many church leaders compromised, citing fear and financial ties (“selling Jesus for silver”), and push back against accusations of divisiveness by prioritizing God’s law over unjust human laws, referencing Romans 13. This raw conversation, featuring insights similar to those explored by journalist Megan Basham regarding church responses, covers the necessity of truth, the call for justice and accountability, and the lonely, personal cost of courage when facing opposition from both the state and fellow believers.